1 00:00:08,93 --> 00:00:10,35 Hi I'm Kelly Bret Hart with 2 00:00:10,36 --> 00:00:13,77 a very special edition of in your neighborhood today we're doing 3 00:00:13,78 --> 00:00:20,35 a community spotlight of artists doctor writer and educator. Dr own county has 4 00:00:20,36 --> 00:00:24,91 a unique history and I was seriously lucky to call this place home for the last 5 00:00:24,92 --> 00:00:29,10 thirty five years we had the opportunity to sit down with him and talk about his 6 00:00:29,11 --> 00:00:32,92 new art exhibit here at her soup kitchen and what influenced him to make these 7 00:00:32,93 --> 00:00:34,38 beautiful poignant paintings. 8 00:00:43,27 --> 00:00:47,51 Welcome honey and thank you for chatting with me today you can see that we are 9 00:00:47,52 --> 00:00:48,51 surrounded by 10 00:00:48,52 --> 00:00:55,45 a variety of your pieces of who are. First off I want to ask you how you knew 11 00:00:55,46 --> 00:01:00,36 you wanted to be an artist did you always know and how did that take off. Well let 12 00:01:00,37 --> 00:01:07,17 me first express my. Gratitude for you all the family of public 13 00:01:07,18 --> 00:01:07,81 access T.V. 14 00:01:07,82 --> 00:01:14,12 For hosting today. I do some work because you prick went to Lee but this is 15 00:01:14,13 --> 00:01:19,62 a different situation where your guest and I thank you for your generosity and 16 00:01:19,93 --> 00:01:26,79 vicious. Interaction that wonderful. If I 17 00:01:26,80 --> 00:01:33,59 have to go back years ago in order to tell you how I felt about. 18 00:01:34,89 --> 00:01:38,10 My life I really wanted to be an artist I'm 19 00:01:38,11 --> 00:01:44,49 a friend is that I love that so much as as it didn't get 20 00:01:45,18 --> 00:01:46,35 and I had it 21 00:01:47,00 --> 00:01:53,46 a childhood that was not the happiest childhood in the world in was suffering as 22 00:01:53,47 --> 00:02:00,17 wars it was last family. Dying under bombs and or 23 00:02:00,82 --> 00:02:06,21 shooting from Arab ladies in parachutes hold it so it was it was 24 00:02:06,22 --> 00:02:11,17 a different. Childhood but the pain added 25 00:02:11,18 --> 00:02:17,41 a lot to my name it kind of level of maturity so I was not the child that. 26 00:02:18,69 --> 00:02:20,34 Was really living is H. 27 00:02:21,09 --> 00:02:22,90 I was a child who was living 28 00:02:23,62 --> 00:02:29,82 a lot beyond that. Seven I felt then seventy I saw 29 00:02:29,83 --> 00:02:35,97 a lot collecting. Some family members ashes from the rubble 30 00:02:36,86 --> 00:02:39,84 when you are forty years old it has 31 00:02:39,85 --> 00:02:46,73 a different meaning different. Effect and impact on you and this 32 00:02:46,74 --> 00:02:53,03 impact live do is me and the only outlet for this was our. Is to right to to 33 00:02:53,62 --> 00:03:00,31 maybe to escape from reality maybe to beautify the ugliness of what I have seen in 34 00:03:00,32 --> 00:03:05,86 the the crudity of life and try to the truth of 35 00:03:06,69 --> 00:03:13,52 sensibility and since dear it it and that's when I discussed my dead I 36 00:03:13,53 --> 00:03:18,82 said I want to be an artist and and he looked at me like I'm 37 00:03:18,83 --> 00:03:25,16 a very weird person and he said well we live in the Middle East here. And look 38 00:03:25,17 --> 00:03:32,03 around you people are masses are hungry are ignorant sick and you are thinking 39 00:03:32,15 --> 00:03:39,09 of making paintings for. And he started to look at me like totally out of 40 00:03:39,10 --> 00:03:44,57 it and he said no I want you to think about something you can lose your life it's 41 00:03:44,58 --> 00:03:50,26 more than. That can help people more you go and do need your time and then put 42 00:03:50,27 --> 00:03:56,27 yourself at the service of these masses that are hungry and sick and do you think 43 00:03:56,28 --> 00:04:01,49 that at home that doesn't have a piece of bread and butter would buy from you 44 00:04:01,50 --> 00:04:06,98 a beautiful painting of apples and peaches and put it in the dining room which it 45 00:04:06,99 --> 00:04:07,38 is not 46 00:04:07,39 --> 00:04:13,92 a dining room to begin with is that what you want to do. Oh you thinking of making 47 00:04:13,93 --> 00:04:19,50 a little new painting that people can put it to fit their nice bed in the bedroom 48 00:04:20,48 --> 00:04:27,05 where there is no bedroom where there are twelve kids living on the floor. So 49 00:04:27,09 --> 00:04:33,46 that's that's crazy so he was against that and that's probably how childhood 50 00:04:33,50 --> 00:04:40,28 started between the. What I wanted to do 51 00:04:40,77 --> 00:04:47,62 and work my father thought this is crazy. But eventually I 52 00:04:47,63 --> 00:04:50,61 yielded to my father who was 53 00:04:50,96 --> 00:04:57,54 a huge impact in my life and when he got sick and I saw 54 00:04:57,55 --> 00:05:02,87 him. About to die and I said maybe if I had been 55 00:05:03,39 --> 00:05:09,70 a physician I could have saved his life. And but eventually 56 00:05:10,52 --> 00:05:17,27 I think you know my passion. About. I had to leave to 57 00:05:17,28 --> 00:05:17,63 leave 58 00:05:17,64 --> 00:05:24,32 a very glamorous very. Profitable career in order to 59 00:05:24,33 --> 00:05:25,74 be sometimes 60 00:05:25,75 --> 00:05:32,73 a starving artist but if you ask me I'm happy and I certainly if I go back I will 61 00:05:32,83 --> 00:05:39,18 just repeat what I had done before. So you can definitely tell in your work that 62 00:05:39,37 --> 00:05:41,35 these different life experiences have 63 00:05:41,85 --> 00:05:47,56 a very big influence on them tell us more about the process behind. What your 64 00:05:47,57 --> 00:05:52,86 thinking is before you begin to sketch or paint when I like you question because. 65 00:05:55,01 --> 00:06:01,74 It's kind of going to be. A lot of. Things that I probably wasn't 66 00:06:01,75 --> 00:06:08,25 able to talk about in other situations such as. How the 67 00:06:08,79 --> 00:06:13,66 artist come up with the idea and what are the confinements that artists face. 68 00:06:15,76 --> 00:06:22,41 Do you really want to just fit in to our community and become one to be accepted 69 00:06:23,21 --> 00:06:29,60 everybody's doing abstract thought serialism or meaningless 70 00:06:30,08 --> 00:06:37,04 kind of painting and do you want to do that because you want to be accepted or 71 00:06:37,05 --> 00:06:43,31 if you do your own style accept the sacrifice that may. 72 00:06:44,74 --> 00:06:51,19 Come about after that. And by this I mean you may not be able to sell human or be 73 00:06:51,20 --> 00:06:52,09 able to join 74 00:06:52,10 --> 00:06:58,59 a click or group. And you believe going to be an outcast are this 75 00:06:58,60 --> 00:07:05,45 a person that doesn't do as we do so this question that you just 76 00:07:05,53 --> 00:07:12,36 asked. Actually you have pinpointed the very important part which 77 00:07:12,37 --> 00:07:14,93 is. Is the artist 78 00:07:14,98 --> 00:07:21,80 a politician or the artist is doing art to express really his or her 79 00:07:21,84 --> 00:07:27,63 emotions. And feelings anger anguish. Luck. 80 00:07:28,64 --> 00:07:34,56 Whatever. And so I I myself 81 00:07:36,15 --> 00:07:42,72 tried to be as honest as I can be and this eventually ends up with 82 00:07:42,73 --> 00:07:48,74 various styles. I mean if you look at the series that. You have selected to be in 83 00:07:48,75 --> 00:07:55,48 the background of our city today this is called Genesis and I looked at the 84 00:07:55,49 --> 00:08:01,62 Bible and I read the chapter the Genesis the Book of Genesis 85 00:08:02,20 --> 00:08:04,26 and. Turns 86 00:08:04,27 --> 00:08:10,74 a little bit into about twenty seven. Prints and those are all 87 00:08:10,75 --> 00:08:17,43 engravings by the way you know you work with. Plate and you 88 00:08:17,84 --> 00:08:23,75 dig through the copper and it is not that you put in the acid there are some 89 00:08:23,76 --> 00:08:29,09 teaching but but the main thing is is that engraving and it takes 90 00:08:29,10 --> 00:08:34,63 a lot work. And I was lucky I didn't have too much. 91 00:08:35,72 --> 00:08:40,70 Experiencing in grieving before I came to Iowa until I meet. 92 00:08:43,17 --> 00:08:49,26 Professor very senior Meyer of the University of Iowa and this lady 93 00:08:50,03 --> 00:08:56,82 till this moment I consider her the maybe the best I hear I mean I hate this 94 00:08:57,05 --> 00:09:02,72 kind of description the best the number one but I have never seen in my life and 95 00:09:02,73 --> 00:09:05,81 I've seen a lot I live in half I've seen 96 00:09:05,82 --> 00:09:12,12 a lot in many many countries. Whether it's France. Italy were 97 00:09:12,13 --> 00:09:17,95 a cop my education in our I have never seen anyone my vision your mind's eye. 98 00:09:19,24 --> 00:09:26,24 And the power of the mind and master craft. As well as 99 00:09:26,25 --> 00:09:32,85 the. Genius way of creativity. This 100 00:09:32,86 --> 00:09:39,62 lady didn't have the chance to be you know in the world as Picasso or or even 101 00:09:39,82 --> 00:09:46,46 you know as Giorgio. But when. The whole world 102 00:09:47,21 --> 00:09:53,34 will go back and look at the work fish in your wires regime as is living healthy 103 00:09:53,63 --> 00:09:57,22 and is doing work here very close to us here 104 00:09:57,52 --> 00:10:04,17 a couple of miles out the virus city and I didn't hear cures studio. And 105 00:10:05,03 --> 00:10:11,90 so I learned from hard how to do the lying and how to make those lines stable 106 00:10:12,57 --> 00:10:19,04 this needs a lot of control and mind. Kind of static I don't want to use 107 00:10:19,05 --> 00:10:22,85 a lot of jargon by the way because artists love to use 108 00:10:22,86 --> 00:10:28,93 a lot of jargon OK I'll try to avoid as much of that can I mean moving 109 00:10:29,51 --> 00:10:36,03 between the mind and the head movement and she was able to do that and I could 110 00:10:36,04 --> 00:10:42,65 watch hard doing this with fascination so that in this 111 00:10:42,66 --> 00:10:44,77 particular part I had 112 00:10:45,06 --> 00:10:50,41 a stage in my life can I do this now I doubt but this was 113 00:10:50,42 --> 00:10:56,71 a steep. Some people like to say well but he doesn't have 114 00:10:56,72 --> 00:11:03,39 a style really and whether these dive you're going to is exhibit exhibit it looks 115 00:11:03,40 --> 00:11:08,91 like there are twenty different artists it's true because. 116 00:11:10,22 --> 00:11:14,30 This woman that I'm sitting with you can hear is different from the movie that. 117 00:11:15,31 --> 00:11:19,87 Preceded that I would be different from the moment that we've all of that succeed 118 00:11:19,88 --> 00:11:26,88 there. I'm not the same person I don't have the same feelings. And I had an 119 00:11:26,93 --> 00:11:33,91 honest fit my expressed the moment that you. Know that's that's why 120 00:11:33,92 --> 00:11:38,32 you see right that's why you don't see this. 121 00:11:41,39 --> 00:11:44,81 Fits with this. But this is 122 00:11:44,82 --> 00:11:50,10 a very. Quick. Touch with 123 00:11:50,11 --> 00:11:56,23 a brush. And the brush is is is going. Like 124 00:11:56,24 --> 00:12:02,85 a sketch. In order to make this this model was sitting there for about two 125 00:12:02,89 --> 00:12:08,01 minutes and I did this in two minutes I didn't touch it before after that because 126 00:12:08,02 --> 00:12:08,23 it's 127 00:12:08,24 --> 00:12:14,25 a spontaneous reaction to what I have seen the lions and the proportions and the 128 00:12:14,26 --> 00:12:20,48 religion and maybe the expression on her face. And her relation. Ship 129 00:12:20,95 --> 00:12:22,90 with the background as 130 00:12:22,91 --> 00:12:29,87 a foreground as front to the back. It is important what 131 00:12:29,88 --> 00:12:34,94 kind of Congress they use here used black and white here in various colors you 132 00:12:34,95 --> 00:12:35,26 should be 133 00:12:35,27 --> 00:12:43,02 a reason for. Right because you know colors express your feelings to. Install 134 00:12:43,03 --> 00:12:48,12 the indifferent from this world when there are three becomes a narrative 135 00:12:48,13 --> 00:12:52,88 a story. And this is a story now you tell me what's 136 00:12:52,89 --> 00:12:59,69 a story. Where I have my story but you have your own story because it 137 00:12:59,70 --> 00:13:06,10 would have been there when you look at any piece of or you know what we call and 138 00:13:06,49 --> 00:13:13,08 I'm going to excuse myself by saying I have to do this fusion 139 00:13:13,75 --> 00:13:20,51 you feel your feeling on what the artist is of. And 140 00:13:20,55 --> 00:13:24,46 eventually the sun will this the conclusion will be 141 00:13:24,47 --> 00:13:31,30 a combined collective. And if. So here for instance what is the story 142 00:13:31,78 --> 00:13:38,57 and beautiful lead the good part of it is bones that there is this differently 143 00:13:38,58 --> 00:13:43,82 life and death here. And you know when you have a dancer and you have 144 00:13:43,83 --> 00:13:50,57 a home and this is the maximum. Energy and feeling move 145 00:13:50,88 --> 00:13:57,74 life who'd. Been the one that's on the poor holding this borrower 146 00:13:57,75 --> 00:14:03,18 dinner is our book. There is there is 147 00:14:03,19 --> 00:14:08,94 a move but then there is the mother of confusion here there is an order here. 148 00:14:09,99 --> 00:14:16,52 Good perspective. Right vanishing point. And all that and 149 00:14:16,53 --> 00:14:21,53 suddenly there is total disorder. So the whole thing is. 150 00:14:23,27 --> 00:14:29,93 Trying to get into. Day sixty you're feeling and try to. 151 00:14:31,02 --> 00:14:36,69 Put order and disorder to get. The life the beginning. 152 00:14:39,48 --> 00:14:46,21 So this is different from this from this we're here I have the right to 153 00:14:46,48 --> 00:14:51,58 look at the be. Human be as the flower. 154 00:14:53,44 --> 00:15:00,28 And open and the heart here and then so it's the unity this one in particular 155 00:15:00,40 --> 00:15:06,35 I don't remember the number but it's not the first but it's one of them where we're 156 00:15:06,35 --> 00:15:13,34 . Human. Is in unity with the 157 00:15:13,35 --> 00:15:19,80 universe with the environment with the plant life. And in this one 158 00:15:20,25 --> 00:15:22,90 this is a. It's 159 00:15:22,91 --> 00:15:29,13 a funny story this is the universe this is part of the universe the wall of the 160 00:15:29,14 --> 00:15:34,96 uterus and. The circle that has this little. 161 00:15:36,09 --> 00:15:41,53 Balls and there is is what we call in the morning there. The B. 162 00:15:41,53 --> 00:15:48,20 . Of multiple circles still stem 163 00:15:48,21 --> 00:15:52,09 cells all of them just beginning the B.B. 164 00:15:52,10 --> 00:15:52,62 Is like 165 00:15:52,86 --> 00:15:59,33 a cluster of grapes here. Before any difference here should be for any characterization 166 00:15:59,80 --> 00:16:06,46 before any specialisation of the cells those with me are used to me hard labor this 167 00:16:06,47 --> 00:16:10,55 is just the combined part so this is more of 168 00:16:10,56 --> 00:16:17,35 a biological thing. Again here between the plant and the human cells 169 00:16:18,04 --> 00:16:24,20 in between the alive and the decay the light ones are living cells and the dark 170 00:16:24,21 --> 00:16:28,94 ones are dying cells. And if you look at those skills as 171 00:16:28,95 --> 00:16:33,26 a biologist you will find them very accurate Still it has 172 00:16:33,27 --> 00:16:39,70 a Euclid's might. Send her zones whenever it is you know 173 00:16:40,21 --> 00:16:40,43 has 174 00:16:40,44 --> 00:16:47,73 a cell wall it has plasma limit. It's biologically sound 175 00:16:48,08 --> 00:16:51,71 correct but as an artist you look at it as 176 00:16:51,72 --> 00:16:58,68 a composition you don't care if this is really too much in three 177 00:16:58,69 --> 00:16:58,99 D. 178 00:16:59,04 --> 00:17:06,76 Biologically correct hundred percent it's the whole thing is. As you see the 179 00:17:06,80 --> 00:17:09,97 leaf here believe here is 180 00:17:09,98 --> 00:17:14,32 a very living point but surrounded by all this serves 181 00:17:14,33 --> 00:17:20,30 a dying. Again this is the age of what I think 182 00:17:21,06 --> 00:17:27,98 life. Already. I was going to 183 00:17:27,99 --> 00:17:34,89 address your point very recently and though you just are very well obviously but 184 00:17:34,90 --> 00:17:36,43 as you've just explained you do have 185 00:17:36,44 --> 00:17:43,28 a style that's unique in every one of your pieces of work and even at. Her soup 186 00:17:43,29 --> 00:17:47,14 kitchen exhibit featuring your work there's different styles there's landscapes and 187 00:17:47,15 --> 00:17:52,30 portraits so could you tell us what the process was and selecting those pieces of 188 00:17:52,31 --> 00:17:58,06 work for the. I walk industry I meet some people and 189 00:17:58,91 --> 00:18:05,58 something stimulates me something would give me. It can 190 00:18:05,59 --> 00:18:12,44 be it can be looked at and I can be. A competition it can 191 00:18:12,45 --> 00:18:18,46 be we. Can be a little. Pushing. A Leave 192 00:18:18,86 --> 00:18:25,82 a way. You never know exactly what to be and sometimes when 193 00:18:26,61 --> 00:18:32,92 a person comes to my point or. And I start it's like 194 00:18:33,42 --> 00:18:38,88 impossible you can't complain but. This is the crime school is 195 00:18:38,89 --> 00:18:45,81 a struggle it's an. Immediate to the border I go I see it Kelly please can 196 00:18:45,82 --> 00:18:52,72 hear you. And getting that see why me and this is we're. This is 197 00:18:52,73 --> 00:18:57,76 there of the old man coming to me saying what I want to do you portray it but you 198 00:18:57,77 --> 00:19:04,62 know what I tell you I did it it caused me trouble many times I wasn't on the train 199 00:19:05,10 --> 00:19:11,03 in Europe and. This woman was telling him that I hit 200 00:19:11,16 --> 00:19:15,87 a little too even her eye and she was looking at the window for about two hours and 201 00:19:15,88 --> 00:19:22,77 I started sketching I couldn't prevent myself from sitting next. For so I can see. 202 00:19:23,84 --> 00:19:28,91 And I started screeching hard and then leave this guy behind me 203 00:19:29,46 --> 00:19:30,85 a hand like 204 00:19:30,86 --> 00:19:37,71 a dinosaur's hand on my shoulder but you can't do it and he carried me 205 00:19:37,76 --> 00:19:38,15 like 206 00:19:38,24 --> 00:19:46,30 a piece of I think you were trash. And he took the. Sketch 207 00:19:46,31 --> 00:19:53,24 book and tore. That was our husband. And I was there on 208 00:19:53,25 --> 00:19:58,74 his wife. And I am an artist I have no. 209 00:20:00,34 --> 00:20:07,14 Intention of doing anything. To get out or get up and I was about 210 00:20:07,35 --> 00:20:12,81 to be killed because something in her eyes was like calling me to do. 211 00:20:15,24 --> 00:20:22,19 Anything And she she tried to see me. Actually she did. Well but 212 00:20:22,20 --> 00:20:28,83 it was doing so I am telling you in two bigs artist you never know you never know 213 00:20:28,84 --> 00:20:33,94 why or why you money for instance made all this water lily and keep doing water 214 00:20:33,95 --> 00:20:38,82 lilies Yeah the first one sold the second one sold and but he kept doing it and 215 00:20:38,83 --> 00:20:45,14 they started not to sell because that was just the repeated theme but yes we do. 216 00:20:47,83 --> 00:20:54,70 I do modern and for me growing the model has nothing to do with 217 00:20:54,95 --> 00:20:59,91 any sexual connotation I just I look at the body as 218 00:21:00,26 --> 00:21:05,01 a genius composition and the would be able of this person is the energies playing 219 00:21:05,02 --> 00:21:11,12 with her toes rate. Which is relaxing sitting in the sun with the reflection of the 220 00:21:11,12 --> 00:21:17,98 sunlight on our end and I look at the relationship between the lines here how the 221 00:21:17,98 --> 00:21:24,19 lines commute this kind of rhythm. And motion while she's sitting but everything 222 00:21:24,19 --> 00:21:31,03 there is moving. So I try to capture. Or 223 00:21:31,56 --> 00:21:34,90 or even if it is not a marble it's 224 00:21:34,91 --> 00:21:41,74 a piece of cloth. Faults like this. Were never is. She 225 00:21:42,73 --> 00:21:49,30 and they believe these forms can be in this kind of motion so sometimes the motion 226 00:21:49,31 --> 00:21:55,67 or rhythm of the lines intrigues you so you want to capture. And. 227 00:21:56,70 --> 00:22:00,57 Of course cannot to be. Treated except like 228 00:22:00,58 --> 00:22:04,07 a study and we as as artists we do 229 00:22:04,08 --> 00:22:10,18 a lot of. You can see the rhythm we hear in this print in this print is done by. 230 00:22:11,28 --> 00:22:17,27 What we call for you standing in this was another technique that was developed by 231 00:22:18,15 --> 00:22:24,95 the genius region your mind. Again she she developed the was no before 232 00:22:24,96 --> 00:22:31,06 hard in the history of art there was no forest that she invented the machine 233 00:22:31,92 --> 00:22:38,80 and she invented the technique and all the people who were around her. Kept at that 234 00:22:38,80 --> 00:22:45,64 . And some of them are very very famous now the duties. Are very successful. 235 00:22:46,80 --> 00:22:53,58 Technique you see the. Works in very special 236 00:22:53,59 --> 00:22:55,53 technique Well again there is 237 00:22:55,54 --> 00:23:02,42 a. You can take it can take this rhythm 238 00:23:02,81 --> 00:23:07,21 can dicker very abstract. It is 239 00:23:07,25 --> 00:23:10,52 a competition this is 240 00:23:10,53 --> 00:23:14,56 a value I call it Highway to Heaven it's part of the end of 241 00:23:14,57 --> 00:23:21,49 a series they did that to do with. Combining printmaking with speed. 242 00:23:24,16 --> 00:23:30,97 After I print. I start to use the oil painting to 243 00:23:31,02 --> 00:23:33,85 add some action to it you see that there is 244 00:23:33,86 --> 00:23:36,63 a little leather here that going up there is 245 00:23:36,64 --> 00:23:43,35 a fire. Whatever you want to see in smoke maybe 246 00:23:44,10 --> 00:23:50,12 but it's a story in. The how I can share with you 247 00:23:50,13 --> 00:23:56,15 a lot of things sometimes I because I like country music and other people being as 248 00:23:56,16 --> 00:24:03,12 we love of country music and you do yes. And 249 00:24:03,13 --> 00:24:06,21 Willie Nelson is one of the as 250 00:24:06,22 --> 00:24:10,94 a pro it may be just intriguing and the first time I see 251 00:24:10,95 --> 00:24:14,36 a concert. I went. To 252 00:24:14,37 --> 00:24:20,12 a sketchy I mean I I did this was scuppered. As 253 00:24:20,13 --> 00:24:27,06 a fan you know but this looks good and that's what comes out you know did I work on 254 00:24:27,07 --> 00:24:34,06 it later you know I just left it as it was. I didn't really I could have done. 255 00:24:36,14 --> 00:24:42,100 Colorist but I wanted to spontaneity of the moment. And. This is 256 00:24:43,01 --> 00:24:48,87 all things that can stimulate or as you see. 257 00:24:50,21 --> 00:24:56,94 Open up ideas in the mind. Let 258 00:24:56,95 --> 00:25:03,87 alone the memories because sometimes when you or you start working on something 259 00:25:04,27 --> 00:25:10,01 in the background there is an association there's something going on between your 260 00:25:10,39 --> 00:25:17,32 memory and wants happening around you. And in the sea 261 00:25:17,33 --> 00:25:18,99 in the become 262 00:25:19,73 --> 00:25:26,21 a camera scene because you put yourself in there's somebody who said well I see in 263 00:25:26,22 --> 00:25:32,92 every point if you do there is something about you there. Which is not 264 00:25:32,96 --> 00:25:36,91 a very it's not exhilaration Yeah when you do a border it is 265 00:25:36,92 --> 00:25:42,76 a matter for you do you point to view. And probably do I want to see. 266 00:25:43,80 --> 00:25:49,72 I'm brought to me but I don't think we have enough time to show. You. 267 00:25:51,31 --> 00:25:57,47 Tell us what your greatest achievement there's Of all your pieces of work and 268 00:25:57,82 --> 00:26:03,04 my greatest achievement is different from my right 269 00:26:04,34 --> 00:26:10,25 and. My green movement is in the area of medical history. 270 00:26:12,12 --> 00:26:17,59 Where although I published a lot of medical books as 271 00:26:17,63 --> 00:26:24,63 a scientist Iraq. I was I was nearly transplant the guy 272 00:26:24,67 --> 00:26:27,07 in the presentation was just in C.P. 273 00:26:27,08 --> 00:26:33,09 In the beginning. For sure rejection and all that I did authorization these areas 274 00:26:33,10 --> 00:26:33,53 and I did 275 00:26:33,54 --> 00:26:39,02 a lot of illustrations and I wrote them out chapters or articles in the medical 276 00:26:39,03 --> 00:26:45,77 field that's not our topic today. And then but I did know other 277 00:26:46,22 --> 00:26:53,05 medical illustrations from many books whether in Europe especially in England 278 00:26:53,66 --> 00:26:59,85 or in the United States I worked on classic solutions 279 00:27:00,55 --> 00:27:01,28 one of them as 280 00:27:01,29 --> 00:27:08,68 a matter for his forming will. Be on which one. Merit 281 00:27:08,69 --> 00:27:15,65 this book or. Who is the woman that stood by my side when I. 282 00:27:17,51 --> 00:27:23,11 Decided not to do medical work and you. Know which is 283 00:27:23,12 --> 00:27:30,08 a very difficult right. But this is another topic. So I he to he was one of the 284 00:27:30,09 --> 00:27:36,02 by you news that plastic surgeons question that you form if you defeats kids who 285 00:27:36,03 --> 00:27:42,67 are born with Cliff Cliff Cliff. And severe. Burdens 286 00:27:43,36 --> 00:27:47,14 and distortions that happened in defeat he was 287 00:27:47,15 --> 00:27:53,19 a master and then we had to get there he wrote the text and I industry 288 00:27:54,02 --> 00:28:00,67 the actress school had less reconstructive surgery has been transmitted 289 00:28:00,75 --> 00:28:05,90 to She'd been killed languages everywhere the last one was the year before last 290 00:28:05,91 --> 00:28:12,83 year Chinese and has been going straight to Tripoli as Russian Cornish 291 00:28:13,09 --> 00:28:20,07 Arabic Hebrew. And tense been all over the world and this is of course my. 292 00:28:20,62 --> 00:28:26,08 Number one which is I was able to reach around six hundred. 293 00:28:27,46 --> 00:28:34,16 Thirty two. It. Was my head. It took me five years 294 00:28:35,15 --> 00:28:42,01 working every single day. And working with young English words not the easiest 295 00:28:42,92 --> 00:28:45,39 plastic solution the middle there has 296 00:28:45,40 --> 00:28:52,32 a meaning. If I do in then Mr Asian something needs out of this one believe me 297 00:28:52,37 --> 00:28:58,97 I have to repeat it again we're not talking here about for too sharp or mad. 298 00:29:00,50 --> 00:29:07,01 Mag. This is old hand meat plates 299 00:29:07,58 --> 00:29:13,90 so I go to some of them just he would like this he said. Well here's 300 00:29:13,91 --> 00:29:20,47 a serious. Cliff. Cliff pendants this is the problem and the 301 00:29:20,48 --> 00:29:26,65 steps there's the surgeon. In order to treat this 302 00:29:27,54 --> 00:29:34,35 but. To treat this congenital anomaly for instance and you 303 00:29:34,36 --> 00:29:41,35 can look at it. By looking it if you would see that. It's not only that you have 304 00:29:41,36 --> 00:29:48,10 to be to size in the anatomy but how long you decide incision should be and what is 305 00:29:48,14 --> 00:29:53,52 under this kid you know Vandar the. What kind of muscle I'll think the most of it 306 00:29:53,53 --> 00:29:59,09 is how many stitches do you have to put here. And what kind of tool you have to say 307 00:29:59,09 --> 00:30:05,25 . This is this is the most difficult part of the whole. Process 308 00:30:05,85 --> 00:30:12,59 is the. And I think. In order 309 00:30:12,60 --> 00:30:19,41 to show you. Their music did some 310 00:30:19,48 --> 00:30:25,67 grammar. Situation. And as usual I forgot the. 311 00:30:27,95 --> 00:30:34,30 Right. You see here in front of you. You can sure miss. 312 00:30:35,90 --> 00:30:42,16 Some of this is the chapter itself after of three you. Printed 313 00:30:42,84 --> 00:30:49,15 and. You can see the. Roll in clear 314 00:30:49,97 --> 00:30:52,49 how it is after it is printed in the book. 315 00:31:00,00 --> 00:31:05,64 And you. Sometimes. Really put the printer. 316 00:31:07,14 --> 00:31:13,81 Original one but here the copy is only to be combined in the. 317 00:31:15,72 --> 00:31:22,58 Photographs with regular story showing that chose the surgeon step by 318 00:31:22,59 --> 00:31:28,84 step to do. And this is actually this is the. Only. 319 00:31:30,09 --> 00:31:33,39 I hope that somebody would be turning the T.V. 320 00:31:33,40 --> 00:31:37,42 On opening this oh that's what they do for 321 00:31:37,43 --> 00:31:43,43 a living so maybe I should go and get this book because here here you have the 322 00:31:43,44 --> 00:31:47,56 Normally you see the lions that there is you know exactly where you're going to cut 323 00:31:47,90 --> 00:31:54,69 and after you cut how we were going to reappear them step by step and this entails 324 00:31:54,70 --> 00:32:00,89 that. In the poor me you would be sitting by the shoulder of the surgeon and I'm 325 00:32:00,90 --> 00:32:07,68 a series of myself but this is not my area. And I look and I sketch 326 00:32:08,84 --> 00:32:09,39 and after 327 00:32:09,40 --> 00:32:15,47 a do the skids I have to go back and put them together. And then go I've been 328 00:32:15,48 --> 00:32:18,49 meaning all no no no no you've got this 329 00:32:18,81 --> 00:32:25,62 a little out. So I wait for the next week when another patient comes to pick 330 00:32:25,63 --> 00:32:32,59 up what they missed or what I have left away. So what I 331 00:32:32,60 --> 00:32:37,78 am trying to tell you that this is the most achievement the most pride is working 332 00:32:37,79 --> 00:32:43,76 with my students that is the thing that. Nothing in my life equals 333 00:32:44,57 --> 00:32:51,49 where I after left medicine I work with kids who are genius kids but they 334 00:32:52,08 --> 00:32:58,25 are special kids in other words they are people who are struggling against all odds 335 00:32:58,29 --> 00:33:04,44 in order to make it through life some kind be this poverty sometimes it is trying 336 00:33:04,45 --> 00:33:05,03 to secure 337 00:33:05,04 --> 00:33:13,00 a should sometimes simple. Misfortune unlucky. And 338 00:33:13,53 --> 00:33:20,16 they are struggling and working with them teaching them are. I'm so proud that in 339 00:33:20,17 --> 00:33:25,60 the. Exhibit that you are visiting with me today. At. 340 00:33:26,98 --> 00:33:32,68 The. Soup kitchen you will see some of my kids work and there is 341 00:33:32,69 --> 00:33:39,67 a piece that I have done with Sarah good. One of my kids 342 00:33:40,02 --> 00:33:45,18 so I'm proud of the small scene where art that becomes part of 343 00:33:45,87 --> 00:33:52,76 a. Process and motivation from kids to complete school and feel 344 00:33:52,82 --> 00:33:59,44 good about their achievement. So how do you motivate your kids to make art. 345 00:34:01,32 --> 00:34:07,61 Well number one you have to convince anyone including the people who. 346 00:34:09,29 --> 00:34:15,49 Are doing thinking that you can do or that anyone can do or. I don't really believe 347 00:34:15,50 --> 00:34:18,56 and. I know other people say oh you are 348 00:34:18,57 --> 00:34:25,54 a talented man not that talented absolutely ideas. Had the right key to 349 00:34:25,55 --> 00:34:32,03 put in the right place and turned it on and it worked because what were the the 350 00:34:32,04 --> 00:34:38,44 human brain is able to do to achieve on the limit. You could be 351 00:34:38,72 --> 00:34:45,56 better than the vision if you have the wind people in the village. It really 352 00:34:45,66 --> 00:34:50,100 is very important that you practice and keep doing how you do this every single day 353 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:57,68 . Everything in preparation when you're invited me for this interview I 354 00:34:58,16 --> 00:35:04,25 I didn't know what to get you and I just went to my food you and I kept digging and 355 00:35:04,26 --> 00:35:07,30 you know things and that's why you see I made 356 00:35:07,31 --> 00:35:13,27 a mishear on the. Surrogate and the bride and me and for us here 357 00:35:14,25 --> 00:35:20,39 but this was but this is the moment this is the moment that I am so proud of where 358 00:35:20,40 --> 00:35:26,22 I sit. With. My kids and do 359 00:35:26,23 --> 00:35:32,75 a mural this week this mural we did among other murals in I was. This one we did in 360 00:35:32,76 --> 00:35:37,51 children house. In a HUGE on 361 00:35:37,52 --> 00:35:43,59 a huge war and this was about me be this twelve years. 362 00:35:45,26 --> 00:35:51,66 And. You see here everybody is doing 363 00:35:51,67 --> 00:35:58,48 something. Everybody and and we feel that I say 364 00:35:58,92 --> 00:36:03,74 listen just express yourself all they can do is just 365 00:36:03,94 --> 00:36:10,44 a little technical advice here and there but the main thing is their community that 366 00:36:10,45 --> 00:36:15,42 you their ideas you see they are not looking at any sketch it's 367 00:36:15,43 --> 00:36:22,35 a very spontaneous thing. And I'm just watching here making sure that the mixing 368 00:36:22,36 --> 00:36:28,44 is OK that the wall is not going to crack after that and this printing is going to 369 00:36:28,45 --> 00:36:33,52 fall down against technical advice but this is the most. 370 00:36:35,78 --> 00:36:42,67 That's what I'm proud the most of. The Nikkei most here time these 371 00:36:42,68 --> 00:36:47,48 days so making our Do you still teach are. Clearly 372 00:36:47,57 --> 00:36:50,79 a tell you what. Art is is 373 00:36:50,80 --> 00:36:56,16 a good part of my life and teaching is as equally important to me. 374 00:36:58,09 --> 00:37:04,61 Now I am teaching could. Continue. And moves 375 00:37:05,30 --> 00:37:12,23 not teaching for creative. Green this is I don't even think 376 00:37:12,24 --> 00:37:17,46 that we can create art. If we can be dark because we will have zero. 377 00:37:19,04 --> 00:37:25,97 Big Zero because he didn't do proportions he did in. The right way 378 00:37:26,71 --> 00:37:28,21 come on I mean it's 379 00:37:28,22 --> 00:37:33,87 a fact of life how about convincing How about Jackson Pollock who was carrying his 380 00:37:33,88 --> 00:37:39,90 bucket. And asking his girlfriend to step on it and make certain impressions and 381 00:37:40,27 --> 00:37:46,18 and then it sold for twelve million dollars. This people can get zero right if we 382 00:37:46,51 --> 00:37:47,56 if we look at it over 383 00:37:47,57 --> 00:37:53,96 a year ago the proportion of all this had is. No. That's not true. 384 00:37:55,02 --> 00:38:01,58 So are these freedoms. So we cannot get it so I'm 385 00:38:01,74 --> 00:38:08,65 happy that teaching classes know where my clients are retired professors in 386 00:38:08,66 --> 00:38:12,86 the universe you some of them are should practice plastic surgeons and some are 387 00:38:13,85 --> 00:38:20,24 doctors and. Lawyers and some are. Artists 388 00:38:21,76 --> 00:38:24,55 and I am proud that they had for in Steve Atkins 389 00:38:24,56 --> 00:38:30,92 a manager I was sitting in for many many many decades not years he was one of my 390 00:38:30,93 --> 00:38:37,77 students. And he is already an established artist and I teach water color and. 391 00:38:39,18 --> 00:38:46,18 Growth. So. I teach I do. Every single 392 00:38:46,19 --> 00:38:52,28 day I do everything I do drawings for the precipitant. 393 00:38:55,27 --> 00:39:01,83 And I do this. As part of the. Looks of some of my 394 00:39:01,84 --> 00:39:08,08 drawings for the purses and I don't know if flexion I don't want Sarah to be very 395 00:39:08,09 --> 00:39:11,35 angry with me because but 396 00:39:11,36 --> 00:39:18,17 a little for. Her Mr Superior is the one who did the mural in front of 397 00:39:18,18 --> 00:39:25,09 the. Regarding. If you see if you 398 00:39:25,10 --> 00:39:32,00 stand by the entrance of the regatta it's in that. Parking ramp there there 399 00:39:32,01 --> 00:39:38,56 is there are hands and. They are united together that's Mr city in the artist 400 00:39:39,31 --> 00:39:45,96 and he spent some time this week in my studio. Those are all published that's 401 00:39:45,97 --> 00:39:52,86 Mr. And the father of Peter in Iowa City if you if you don't sign up to 402 00:39:53,28 --> 00:39:55,27 being are you are not in Iowa City in 403 00:39:55,47 --> 00:40:02,04 a way for her like he and Humber variant on those like iconic symbol have you have 404 00:40:02,05 --> 00:40:07,10 to pilgrimage. To them you know and. 405 00:40:09,07 --> 00:40:16,01 The late Professor John McClure. He kitchen department and I write about 406 00:40:16,02 --> 00:40:22,29 their stories and I write how about their success. And 407 00:40:22,37 --> 00:40:29,23 Weinstein and his wife Nina why Misty is probably the greatest Canadian 408 00:40:29,24 --> 00:40:36,17 American artist. Of the century. Very famous very 409 00:40:36,21 --> 00:40:41,34 successful and he accepted my. Sketch. 410 00:40:43,00 --> 00:40:49,95 So I do all this for the newspaper and I was lucky that the president is one coming 411 00:40:49,96 --> 00:40:56,96 meet in that you know. And this is one of my 412 00:40:56,97 --> 00:40:59,95 students Dr John can you be 413 00:40:59,99 --> 00:41:05,95 a plastic surgeon the head of plastic surgery and I actually read his portrait and 414 00:41:05,96 --> 00:41:11,73 wrote about him. And this is the famous I was city icon 415 00:41:12,43 --> 00:41:17,73 Darden. And Megan in the skit shouldn't they did for him. 416 00:41:21,73 --> 00:41:28,65 Another very important artist Rick Perry Weber and his 417 00:41:28,66 --> 00:41:35,54 daughter who was my student by the way and I talk about him and about and 418 00:41:35,93 --> 00:41:41,30 he was one of the people are going I saw him playing it was his you see the 419 00:41:41,31 --> 00:41:45,78 difference between the published one and the original. This is just 420 00:41:45,79 --> 00:41:51,32 a copy of of Mr one so are you going to listen I have been doing this for about 421 00:41:51,38 --> 00:41:57,27 this is somebody did this with this for me. Actually Richard Williams is professor 422 00:41:57,28 --> 00:42:02,73 of art and art Did you question here. And she did this for me. 423 00:42:06,26 --> 00:42:13,17 So. This is again another think that doing it every day it's like driving 424 00:42:13,18 --> 00:42:19,79 it's like Chris It's like practice makes but. We born with certain 425 00:42:19,80 --> 00:42:23,63 genes it makes how you call the genius or 426 00:42:23,64 --> 00:42:30,55 a good artist Absolutely and. I'm just having to persevere stamina 427 00:42:31,09 --> 00:42:33,59 to sit down and stood watching T.V. 428 00:42:33,96 --> 00:42:36,10 Twenty four hours or playing with 429 00:42:36,11 --> 00:42:42,78 a face book or going to see it. But. You. 430 00:42:44,75 --> 00:42:51,54 Have to do it every day. These are all beautiful pieces of art and 431 00:42:51,71 --> 00:42:54,14 it's clear every single one of them up there 432 00:42:54,15 --> 00:42:58,75 a lot of different aspects of life that inspired you and this want to thank you 433 00:42:58,76 --> 00:43:05,59 again for sharing with me all the sharing your life and sharing your thoughts 434 00:43:05,60 --> 00:43:09,32 about that it's truly been an honor to ask you these questions as 435 00:43:09,33 --> 00:43:13,93 a matter of fact I have I have to thank the public or Steve you're doing 436 00:43:13,97 --> 00:43:19,74 a major service to this community and I have been here for thirty five years and 437 00:43:19,75 --> 00:43:20,61 I've never seen 438 00:43:20,62 --> 00:43:27,54 a team of people working relentlessly in order to make things better for 439 00:43:27,55 --> 00:43:34,31 our community more than you do. And I been impressed with the work you personally. 440 00:43:35,66 --> 00:43:42,06 I mean people talk to people in the street and during our first 441 00:43:42,55 --> 00:43:49,29 music patients and. I've been impressed at the time we're all developing you're 442 00:43:49,43 --> 00:43:55,82 right and of course we miss the gene. And all that the new Even the joy of 443 00:43:56,76 --> 00:44:02,93 joys of living here in his effort to me. These are very important 444 00:44:03,67 --> 00:44:10,28 policy at the center of culture and acceptance. Daughter. 445 00:44:11,72 --> 00:44:17,88 In our community Well I think you very much to be here and I consider it 446 00:44:17,97 --> 00:44:23,77 a privilege to be able to. Talk about things which. Means 447 00:44:23,78 --> 00:44:28,19 a lot to us and we enjoy working with you too and you definitely look forward to 448 00:44:28,20 --> 00:44:34,73 seeing more of your art in the future thank you you thank.